Would life be simpler if we could just give people the benefit of the doubt, instead of splitting the world into good and bad? In the latest episode, the conversation about ‘all-or-nothing’ thinking continues. Chris and Xand speak with Kimberley Wilson, a Chartered Psychologist, and the author and host of new mental health podcast, Complex. What’s Up Docs? | Listen on BBC Sounds | BBC Radio 4

“Comedy is the hardest thing to get right” Joanna Lumley talks about her love for the song Wheels on Fire, and how it elevated her performance in Absolutely Fabulous. Saturday Live | Listen on BBC Sounds | BBC Radio 4

“You just leave that passenger at the back and cary on and allow them to talk to themselves.” In this new series, Kimberley Wilson delves into perfectionism with health psychologist Dr Sula Windgassen. Is perfectionism useful? Does it help you achieve more? Live a happier life? Sula and Kimberley explore what perfectionism does, what it does to us, and what we can do to manage it. Complex | Listen on BBC Sounds | BBC Radio 4